FTL offline, Load is red in a Linux Deploy container on Android

sudo systemctl status pihole-FTL -l
Running in chroot, ignoring request.

stat /sbin/init
File: '/sbin/init' -> '/lib/systemd/systemd'
Size: 20 Blocks: 0 IO Block: 4096 symbolic link
Device: 702h/1794d Inode: 24596 Links: 1
Access: (0777/lrwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root)
Access: 2017-11-23 21:16:10.029681562 +0100
Modify: 2017-04-08 23:45:22.000000000 +0200
Change: 2017-11-23 20:28:25.912729565 +0100
Birth: -

sestatus
-bash: sestatus: command not found

groups root
root : root android aid_radio aid_bluetooth aid_graphics aid_input aid_audio aid_camera aid_log aid_compass aid_mount aid_wifi aid_adb aid_install aid_media aid_dhcp aid_sdcard_rw aid_vpn aid_keystore aid_usb aid_drm aid_available aid_gps aid_media_rw aid_mtp aid_drmrpc aid_nfc aid_sdcard_r aid_clat aid_loop_radio aid_media_drm aid_package_info aid_sdcard_pics aid_sdcard_av aid_sdcard_all aid_logd aid_shared_relro aid_shell aid_cache aid_diag aid_net_bt_admin aid_net_bt aid_inet aid_net_raw aid_net_admin aid_net_bw_stats aid_net_bw_acct aid_net_bt_stack

groups pihole
pihole : pihole www-data aid_net_bt_admin aid_net_bt aid_inet aid_net_raw aid_net_admin

groups www-data
www-data : www-data pihole

sudo /usr/bin/pihole-FTL
FTL started!

Try the solution offered in this thread:

And run the groups commands again.

Ps. I got reminded by devs that running "/usr/bin/pihole-FTL" as user "root" could unintentionally alter permissions for the pihole-FTL database file.
Better check if permissions for this file is still correct and resembles below:

$ ls -lh /etc/pihole/pihole-FTL.db
-rw-r--r-- 1 pihole pihole 119M Nov 22 20:49 /etc/pihole/pihole-FTL.db

If not owned by user "pihole" with group "pihole", you can fix it by running below one:

sudo chown pihole:pihole /etc/pihole/pihole-FTL.db

I tried the offered solution, but for ´groups root´nothing changed, but ´group www-data´returned www-data : www-data aid_net_bt_admin aid_net_bt aid_inet aid_net_raw aid_net_admin pihole´

I also checked for the permissions, it was user ´root´ and group ´root´´.
I changed it to pihole:pihole and tried sudo /usr/bin/pihole-FTL again,
but FTL is still offline and connection to api is still lost and load is also still red.

The "pihole-FTL" process runs as user "pihole".
What is displayed when you run:

groups pihole

Mind that everytime you run "sudo /usr/bin/pihole-FTL", you'll need to fix permissions again with the "chown" command!
Your not supposed to run this one from shell as its controled by systemd but I just wanted to know if it was able to run at all.

groups pihole
pihole : pihole www-data aid_net_bt_admin aid_net_bt aid_inet aid_net_raw aid_net_admin

Yeah upon reading back, groups was already ok for the pihole user before you did the "usermod -a -G ... pihole" command.

If you browse to the Pi-hole web GUI, are you able to alter settings ?
Like for example try changing "CPU Temperature Unit" from Celsius to Fahrenheit or other way arround.

And you need to figure out how to query systemd about status for the "pihole-FTL" daemon as the "systemctl" command doesnt seem to work (Running in chroot, ignoring request).
I believe the web GUI uses systemctl as well to query status and displays it as red now.
So it could be that pihole-FTL is just running as it should but the web GUI cant see it.
Does below one report any status ?

sudo service pihole-FTL status

Any relevant messages in the pihole-FTL logs ?

less /var/log/pihole-FTL.log

Or in the lighttpd logs ?

sudo less /var/log/lighttpd/error.log

EDIT: I added a bit above ^
And below one should display all processes running in the chroot including the pihole-FTL daemon:

pi@noads:~ $ sudo ps -e
 4354 ?        00:00:29 pihole-FTL

Hey, Pi-hole web GUI seems to work fine, I was able to change CPU temperature unit.

sudo service pihole-FTL status
/etc/init.d/pihole-FTL: line 69: status: command not found

less /var/log/pihole-FTL.log status
[2017-11-23 21:20:01.966] ########## FTL started! ########## [2017-11-23 21:20:01.966] FTL branch: (no branch) [2017-11-23 21:20:01.966] FTL hash: v2.11.1 [2017-11-23 21:20:01.966] FTL date: 2017-10-08 12:35:40 -0700 [2017-11-23 21:20:01.966] FTL user: root [2017-11-23 21:20:01.967] Warning: Starting pihole-FTL directly is not recommended. [2017-11-23 21:20:01.967] Instead, use system commands for starting pihole-FTL as service (systemctl / service). [2017-11-23 21:20:01.972] Notice: Found no readable FTL config file [2017-11-23 21:20:01.972] Using default settings [2017-11-23 21:20:01.972] Starting config file parsing [2017-11-23 21:20:01.973] SOCKET_LISTENING: only local [2017-11-23 21:20:01.973] TIMEFRAME: Rolling 24h [2017-11-23 21:20:01.973] QUERY_DISPLAY: Show queries [2017-11-23 21:20:01.973] AAAA_QUERY_ANALYSIS: Show AAAA queries [2017-11-23 21:20:01.973] MAXDBDAYS: max age for stored queries is 365 days [2017-11-23 21:20:01.973] Finished config file parsing [2017-11-23 21:20:01.998] 3937 - /usr/bin/pihole-FTL [2017-11-23 21:20:01.999] Found pihole-FTL process with PID 3937 (my PID 8568) - killing it ... [2017-11-23 21:20:02.034] Found no other running pihole-FTL process [2017-11-23 21:20:02.039] PID of FTL process: 8571 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.301] Gravity list entries: 106659 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.302] No blacklist present [2017-11-23 21:20:02.302] No wildcard blocking list present [2017-11-23 21:20:02.311] db_init() - Cannot open database (14): unable to open database file [2017-11-23 21:20:02.311] Creating new (empty) database [2017-11-23 21:20:02.321] Database initialized [2017-11-23 21:20:02.321] Starting initial log file parsing [2017-11-23 21:20:02.321] Warning: Reading of rotated log file /var/log/pihole.log.1 failed [2017-11-23 21:20:02.321] Reading from /var/log/pihole.log (rw-r--r--) [2017-11-23 21:20:02.321] Finished initial log file parsing [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] -> Total DNS queries: 0 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] -> Cached DNS queries: 0 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] -> Blocked DNS queries: 0 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] -> Unknown DNS queries: 0 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] -> Unique domains: 0 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] -> Unique clients: 0 [2017-11-23 21:20:02.322] Successfully accessed setupVars.conf [2017-11-23 21:20:02.323] Listening on port 4711 for incoming connections [2017-11-24 08:53:01.798] ########## FTL started! ########## [2017-11-24 08:53:01.798] FTL branch: (no branch) [2017-11-24 08:53:01.798] FTL hash: v2.11.1 [2017-11-24 08:53:01.798] FTL date: 2017-10-08 12:35:40 -0700 [2017-11-24 08:53:01.798] FTL user: root [2017-11-24 08:53:01.798] Warning: Starting pihole-FTL directly is not recommended. [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] Instead, use system commands for starting pihole-FTL as service (systemctl / service). [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] Notice: Found no readable FTL config file [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] Using default settings [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] Starting config file parsing [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] SOCKET_LISTENING: only local [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] TIMEFRAME: Rolling 24h [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] QUERY_DISPLAY: Show queries [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] AAAA_QUERY_ANALYSIS: Show AAAA queries [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] MAXDBDAYS: max age for stored queries is 365 days [2017-11-24 08:53:01.799] Finished config file parsing [2017-11-24 08:53:01.820] Found no other running pihole-FTL process [2017-11-24 08:53:01.827] PID of FTL process: 18409 [2017-11-24 08:53:02.100] Gravity list entries: 106659 [2017-11-24 08:53:02.100] No blacklist present [2017-11-24 08:53:02.102] No wildcard blocking list present /var/log/pihole-FTL.log (file 1 of 2)

sudo less /var/log/lighttpd/error.log
2017-11-23 20:40:55: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-23 20:56:27: (server.c.1558) server stopped by UID = 0 PID = 2842
2017-11-23 20:56:28: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/pi-hole/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/AdminLTE/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/FTL/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 20:56:32: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Undefined variable: timestamp in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 79
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/pi-hole/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/AdminLTE/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/FTL/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 21:23:23: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-24 14:42:18: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/pi-hole/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11

sudo ps -e
3413 ? 00:00:01 daemonsu
10169 ? 00:00:19 kworker/0:0H

There is no pihole-FTL

Verry hard to read the logs from the "less" output.
Could you reboot Pi-hole and first thing, just browse to the Pi-hole web GUI and post output for below two tail commands ?

tail -20 /var/log/pihole-FTL.log

sudo tail -20 /var/log/lighttpd/error.log

After reboot I had to start lighttpd and dnsmasq maunally.

tail -20 /var/log/pihole-FTL.log
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.433] Starting initial log file parsing
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.434] Warning: Reading of rotated log file /var/log/pihole.log.1 failed
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.434] Reading from /var/log/pihole.log (rw-r--r--)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.434] Notice: Increasing queries struct size from 0 to 10000 (320.10 KB)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.434] Notice: Increasing overTime struct size from 0 to 100 (323.30 KB)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.434] Notice: Increasing domains struct size from 0 to 1000 (343.30 KB)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.435] Notice: Increasing clients struct size from 0 to 10 (343.48 KB)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.435] New client: 127.0.0.1 localhost (0/10)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.456] New client: 192.168.178.199 Pi-hole.fritz.box (1/10)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.456] New client: ::1 localhost (2/10)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.463] New client: 2003:e5:fbc4:c100:36bb:26ff:fe93:f929 p200300E5FBC4C10036BB26FFFE93F929.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (3/10)
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] Finished initial log file parsing
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] -> Total DNS queries: 4
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] -> Cached DNS queries: 0
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] -> Blocked DNS queries: 4
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] -> Unknown DNS queries: 0
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] -> Unique domains: 2
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] -> Unique clients: 4
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.464] Successfully accessed setupVars.conf
[2017-11-24 16:19:24.465] Listening on port 4711 for incoming connections

sudo tail -20 /var/log/lighttpd/error.log
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/AdminLTE/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/FTL/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-23 20:56:39: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-23 21:23:23: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-24 14:42:18: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/pi-hole/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/AdminLTE/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(): php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(https://api.github.com/repos/pi-hole/FTL/releases/latest): failed to open stream: php_network_getaddresses: getaddrinfo failed: Name or service not known in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 11
2017-11-24 14:42:20: (mod_fastcgi.c.2702) FastCGI-stderr: PHP Notice: Trying to get property of non-object in /var/www/html/admin/scripts/pi-hole/php/update_checker.php on line 14
2017-11-24 14:52:28: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-24 15:45:48: (log.c.164) server started
2017-11-24 16:51:12: (log.c.164) server started

From the time difference between the two last log entries (16:19:24.465 & 16:51:12) , i can make up that pihole-FTL didnt start at boot same as dnsmasq and lighttpd.
Below one probably confirms that:

pi@noads:~ $ ps -e | grep pihole-FTL
 4354 ?        00:00:33 pihole-FTL

What is outcome for below 3 ?

sudo systemctl enable dnsmasq

sudo systemctl enable lighttpd

sudo systemctl enable pihole-FTL

Reboot after successfull execution and check again with below one:

pi@noads:~ $ ps -e | grep "pihole-FTL\|dnsmasq\|lighttpd"
 3860 ?        00:00:03 lighttpd
 4266 ?        00:00:11 dnsmasq
 4354 ?        00:00:34 pihole-FTL

Ok, I' ll give ist a try tomorrow. Thank you very mich for your help and Patience.

So, back at my desk, I tried what you wrote:

sudo systemctl enable dnsmasq
Synchronizing state for dnsmasq.service with sysvinit using update-rc.d...
Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d dnsmasq defaults
Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d dnsmasq enable

sudo systemctl enable lighttpd
Synchronizing state for lighttpd.service with sysvinit using update-rc.d...
Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d lighttpd defaults
Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d lighttpd enable

 sudo systemctl enable pihole-FTL
Synchronizing state for pihole-FTL.service with sysvinit using update-rc.d...
Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d pihole-FTL defaults
Executing /usr/sbin/update-rc.d pihole-FTL enable

I rebootet and checked with ps -e | grep "pihole-FTL\|dnsmasq\|lighttpd" but it ouput nothing. I checked with ps -e and found
5165 ? 00:00:00 lighttpd
5208 ? 00:00:06 dnsmasq
5292 ? 00:00:00 pihole-FTL
but FTL says still offline and lost connection to API and Load is still red.

In your case, it probably needed sudo.
So now you have all the necessary daemons running after a reboot but the web GUI doesnt see it.
I believe thats because "sudo systemctl status pihole-FTL -l" doesnt give a proper response:

Running in chroot, ignoring request.

If you can fix that, chances are the web GUI will show proper status.
But as I am unfamiliar with Linux deploy and the chroot it creates, I wouldnt know where to search.
Maybe the TS @saisreen1381 knows more ?
Ore maybe one of the developers ?

Ps. you should be able to start using Pi-hole on a client now even though the web GUI is still broken.

Had to double check but seems to work for me :smiley:

pi@noads:~ $ ps -e | grep "pihole-FTL\|dnsmasq\|lighttpd"
 3860 ?        00:00:14 lighttpd
 4266 ?        00:00:28 dnsmasq
 4354 ?        00:02:19 pihole-FTL

Ohw Ps. check the log files again!
They may shed some light.

Ok , thank you very much. I will try to find a solution for the Chroot problem and post it here when I find something.